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Any wine areas/districts you shy away from?

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Posted on June 2, 2018 at 17:49:08
jimbill
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 Just opened a bottle of Zin from Lodi. It just seems that they're making them riper and riper. It may just be the warm climate or it may be wine making to a taste. I've also gotten leery of Paso Robles for the same reasons. Not always, but often.

On the flip side, I also have a hard time with some Oregon Pinot Noirs. They just seem a bit lean and acidic for me. Again, it might be the climate.

And then there is Tuscany. I've really gotten off of Sangeiovese. I've had some good Brunello but the lesser wines have left me cold.

 

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Any wine areas/districts you shy away from?, posted on June 3, 2018 at 10:27:43
mkuller
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...not really, it's the individual wine more than the region.

There are lots of zins that are too fruit forward from just about everywhere.

Try this one from Lodi.

And there are some really good Oregon pinots, but they are getting more expensive.

 

RE: Any wine areas/districts you shy away from?, posted on June 3, 2018 at 10:56:02
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 For every rule there is an exception. I'm not an Aussie fan at all...I won't go near McLaren Vale. But was on a panel with a syrah producer form a cooler part of Australia who made really nice wines.

I very rarely buy Napa unless I've tasted the wine. Too many big over the top over oaked wines trying to justify the high asking price. I know there are exceptions, but unless I'm tasting first, I am not buying.

Pinot is just hard to make no matter where its from.....there are lots of over priced bad wines, especially in Or. But when you find one...wow. I much prefer Or to Ca for Pinot....but its harder to make a good one in Or....the climate can be borderline.

I hate to make blanket statements...I always eat my words eventually


 

That's why I used "shy" vs. "avoid", posted on June 3, 2018 at 13:30:05
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 Always exceptions.

 

I did try their regular OVZ., posted on June 4, 2018 at 13:16:10
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 Once again, overly ripe for me.

I did find the Old Ghost available at a local Total Wine store. I noticed in the customer reviews, almost all good, one stated that this was made from grapes that reached their highest sugar content. Don't know if this person knows this or is just guessing.

 

Klinker Brick makes 3 different zins..., posted on June 4, 2018 at 13:56:16
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 ...OVZ is the cheapest and fruitiest which I suspect keeps the place in business for $20 (all discounted).

Next is Marissa Vinyard - a little more depth for $30.

And then Old Ghost, the most refined and complex for $40.

 

Come on Mike!, posted on June 8, 2018 at 19:38:28
jimbill
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 You would be the worst wine store clerk! I tell you what I don't like and you give it to me!

I got a bottle of Old Ghost 2014 tonight, paid $27 for it. Great big ol' fruit bomb! So ripe it is almost as sweet as a Port, but without the complexity and mouth feel. 15.9% alcohol, which means, with the 3 percent fudge factor, it is right there with the typical 20% for Port. And I like Port! But this was way towards the plummy/candy side of Zinfandel that I identify with Lodi. And the alcohol was overbearing/hot on the tongue. Alcohol got better with time, but I think that is because my tongue got numbed.

Steve would surely use this to defend his dislike of Zinfandel.

But hey, that's why they make all kinds of wines. Because there are all kinds of tastebuds.

 

LOL...(nt), posted on June 9, 2018 at 09:49:13
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 (nt)

 

Tonight..., posted on June 9, 2018 at 22:34:47
mkuller
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 ...I took a 2013 Bedrock Heritage to a friend's for dinner.

It reminded me of the Old Ghost.

 

RE: Tonight..., posted on June 10, 2018 at 10:10:28
jimbill
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 Which one? I have never had a Bedrock that sweet.
And Bedrock isn't necessarily the last word for me in Zinfandels.

 

That made me laugh, posted on June 11, 2018 at 08:27:43
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 But I really do love Port!!

 

And Heritage?, posted on June 11, 2018 at 10:13:36
jimbill
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 All their Heritage wines are field blends. Zinfandel and probably 10 to 20 other grapes. Hard to believe it tasted like a old vines Zinfandel.

 

And Heritage?, posted on June 11, 2018 at 11:20:36
mkuller
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 ...to call it "zinfandel" it has to be 75% zin.

Most wines are blended with something these days.

A guy who works for Gallo came into my store and we were chatting about wine. He said just about every high end wine you drink has some of their juice in it.

 

Exactly, posted on June 11, 2018 at 14:50:41
jimbill
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 Bedrock Heritage wines are only about 50% Zinfandel.

I actually called Chris at Bedrock to make sure and told him of your comparison. He got a good laugh out of that. As he said, "They pick their grapes much later than we do and thus make a sweeter wine, kind of like a Port"!

Pshaw Sir!

 

Now call..., posted on June 11, 2018 at 15:26:25
mkuller
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 ...Klinker Brick and get their view.

Port my ass.

 

Hey, they're your winery!, posted on June 11, 2018 at 16:48:11
jimbill
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 You call them.

And are we talking wine or proctology now?

 

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