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In Reply to: Re: Digital -VS- Traditional posted by Keith on April 21, 2001 at 14:14:45:
Kieth, Romy and other Shutter bugs
I respect your opinions but I must tell you that you need to see some PICs from better cameras. The quality of film –VS- Digital would become clear to you if this was the case. Cameras like the 35 MM are toys to me and Digital are even lower that that. When you compare the two they are light years apart. [35mm vs Digital]
**I suspect your question is on a much lighter-level than my answer, but regardless, it's still food for thought:
Actually it is how you or anyone, as I sees it, perceives what a good photo looks like. A picture is worth a thousand words in this case.
Regardless I have use Cameras that are worth more that some cars. And for the most part I like the film type better than the Digital type. You would too if you saw a few photographs from a good [even a modest camera with a great lens] camera/lens combo and compared them to the Digital out put from even the best Digital cameras.
***It really depends at where you draw your line as to the "best medium".
No not really. An 8x10 negative will have much better resolution than any little pee pop digital camera. Even a 35 mm will beat the crap out of a DC.
Check out Ansel Adams photos and you will see what I am talking about. He used a View Camera. Remember that you are seeing them on a digital format and it sucks.
http://www.sunspotphoto.com/cameras/view.html
Here is a link to AA and some of his pics
http://www.ocaiw.com/adams.htm
*** -- is your purpose just to snapshot pictures of family and friends, and post it online? Or on a photo album?
I have been trained as a professional photographer as well as an Avionics Technician and will leave it at that.
***Until you know exactly what you want to do, both the $1300 digital camera and the $400 SLR may both be the wrong items for you.
No not really. Cost will dictate all. And if you are creative, yes creativity and photography go hand in hand, you can get better results from a standard SLR than any digital Camera.
***Personally, I remain yet to be convinced that digital photography has caught up with traditional film. I am a Canon EOS lover, and in looking at results from the Canon D-30 (digital SLR, $3k), Nikon, and Kodak digital SLRs, I have yet to find the true color and texture rendition that I love so much about true "photographic art". No matter what, these digital cameras still create a "pasty" color to my eyes. And I don't mind using slow film scanners to convert my work to online pictures. So for me, personally, I still think my "best medium" is film, be it 35mm, or larger format.
We seem to agree then.
My way to do things: If you use a traditional camera and have the film developed and have it saved to a CD you will have the best of both worlds and save a lot of money too.
You can print the pics you like best as well as send them over the net.
Your 120 x 220 is an excellent format film [one of my favorites] and will produce wonderful PICs.
***Best wishes in your camera hunt.
I am not hunting for a camera, just providing “food for thought” ;o)
***and welcome to the camera asylum.
Thank you!
http://a908.g.akamai.net/7/908/327/24h/images.allposters.com/images/IMA/A142.jpg
Follow Ups:
Van,As an early adopter to digital photography many years back and one who grew up using many Leicas and owned a Hasselblad... Cheap digital is just that. Cheap. Sure it works, but what is your true desired end purpose? Obviously digital on the cheap means you are stuck with the quality of glass and lens on the unit. With better, more expensive prosumer digital cameras you can interchange lenses as is done with 35mm/medium format/etc. Of course THAT is when digital cameras can get more expensive than the 35mm equivalent.
In the end you need to decide what is best for your photography needs/desires. As for my current digital rig, i went for the Canon D30. A good in between of pro and consumer with the ability to use pro lenses and use real lighting/flash units.
The choice is yours.
Enjoy the music,
Steven R. Rochlin
And I agree, up to a point.
For me [now that I am out of the field] I will stick to a film type. I can use the film by scanning or have it XFRD to cd at the proccesor.
I save $$ and time that way. It is how I see things.Six or half a dozen, the end result is all that matters. Is the pic a work of art? Does it move you to think or stir the emotions?
What takes it is really not what counts I guess.I am sad to see you part with such a sweet camera.
Have a good weekend
Van
Van,Yes, it is all in how one decided to express their medium... or what is needed for their workload. Saddly, the Hassey went bye-bye as it was not really used as best it could have and for me and my work, digital conforms better. If i wanted BOTH that could have been arranged, yet it was hard for me to see sich a fine piece of art in amd of itself locked away in the case 99% of the time while the Canon D-30 was being used at shows and other activities.
It is like my hatered for those who own Ferrari cars only to drive them 100 miles a year. For me, in my humble opinion, it makes no sense to own such a fine high=performance automobile if you are not going to use it as was intended. Better to let someone else own it who will use it accordinly.
Just my 2 cents. Maybe one day i'll get back to medium, or go to large format. For now with my lifestyle the D-30 fits. Sad, but true.
Enjoy the music,
Steven R. Rochlin
***Digital conforms better.Well I think it sure is handy at times. I will get a nice one some day.
Just like I got a good CD player.**** Like my hatred for those who own Ferrari cars only to drive them 100 miles a year.
Yes, I know what you mean. I had a real sweet turntable and I did not use it for a long time. I sold it to a very good friend of mine [Landshark]. He loves it and uses it all the time.
Now I have another turntable and I am upgrading it. Given the situation I would have done the same.*****Better to let someone else own it who will use it accordingly.
Yes, it is true. I get a good feeling when Landshark tells me of the LP's he has played lately. He loves analog and I had a hand in his level of enjoyment.
****Just my 2 cents.More valuable than you think.
**** One day I’ll get back to medium, or go to large format.
One day I would like a good view camera, For now my toy 35 MM will do.
My wife has a Cannon Rebel 2000. It is quite nice and has a lot of nice features but I like the full manuals without all the bells and whistles better.***For now with my lifestyle the D-30 fits. Sad, but true.
***Enjoy the music,
Always
Later
Van
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