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RE: a bear to adjust.

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Doc B.

In Reply to: RE: a bear to adjust. posted by user510 on April 10, 2008 at 11:24:57

Nowhere near as dramatic as Steve's beautiful shot, but I submit this as a color reference. Fuji GS645, and I think it was Kodak VC400. I like Steve's version much better than Joe's on both of my monitors - calibrated Sony and laptop LCD. On Joe's version the saturation and contrast are both a bit too much on my monitors.

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Ain't film great? With Tranparencies even better - you get a truer reference as to color with slides - Joe M 08:01:23 04/22/08 (1)
negatives and digi are susceptible to human judgement after the fact.

While i always prefer a more saturated and warmer look, others have their preferences.

I tend for an emotional connection in a scene, than a record shot to achieve it.
- RE: Ain't film great? With Tranparencies even better - you get a truer reference as to color with slides - Doc B. 21:40:23 04/22/08 (0)
  Absolutely Joe, a good transparency would have been even better for a color reference. I think the VC400 is a little exaggerated anyway.
  The best thing about the art is that it allows for different strokes for different folks. I appreciate your sensibility in the way you treated the colors.
  
  Edits: 04/22/08
RE: adjusting the bear - user510 20:29:21 04/21/08 (0)
Hi Doc B.
I like your shot very well. Spectacular!! It looks like it also was taken at late afternoon/early eve with a low sun and warmish tones.

I --believe-- the color of the water in your shot is closer to what I witnessed. Seattle does have an impressive skyline when viewed from the west looking east.

This summer, because of the increasing cost of fuels, I will focus on getting more Seattle shots into my portfolio. There is much to discover/uncover in this old city.

Thanks for the input!!

-Steve

PS: monitors. I'm using two different Samsung 22" LCD's on two different desktop PC's with no particular calibration. The effects seen on one monitor is not too far from what is seen on the other.
RE: a bear to adjust. - Doc B. 19:42:22 04/21/08 (2)
Here's my submission for a compromise between the two:
- RE: the print - user510 20:43:17 04/21/08 (1)
  The day after I took the shot, I made an 8.5x11" print using my Epson R1800 on Kodak glossy paper. I had used PS to reduce noise in the cloudy sky and I adjusted size to fit the paper, but otherwise did not mess with the photo.
  
  The blue tones of water are similar in the print to what you have rendered with my photo. But the mostly cloudy sky in my print is somewhat lighter with a blue-gray tone. The buildings of the city are front lit with the warm tones of the setting sun and similar to your 'compromise' render.
  
  Now that I've had a chance to get used to different color tones from two other pairs of eyes I think I will go with the original and just accept the photo, blue cast and all.
  
  Thanks again for helping me adjust my eyes as well as the photo!!
  
  -Steve
  - RE: the print - Doc B. 07:51:17 04/22/08 (0)
    I think the original is just great, and there is a lot to be said for the importance of the intent of the original artist over those of us who want to "fix" his work! Fooling with the PS stuff is quite secondary to having the sense to capture that beautiful scene in the first place.
    
    Color management is really a task. I didn't spend too much time on it until we started reprinting the original artwork from several of the albums we're doing for the Tape Project. Getting from the album cover to the scanner to the monitor and to the printer and getting it to look the same at both ends can take hours and hours. I ended up with two of the venerable old Sony GDM-20E20 CRT monitors on my graphics workstation, one of which I had to overhaul. Getting them up and calibrated made me realize just how much of a yellow cast my Toshiba laptop's LCD monitor has. And of course if you change paper you generally have to tweak whatever color settings you have made for the original paper. It's a lot of work to get right (I should probably say close rather than right), and I can't really say that I find it the most pleasant part of photography.
    
    I agree that there is a lot of potential for nice shots in Seattle. Once you adjust your frame of mind you can find interesting shots just about anywhere.
    
    Oh, one final tip - IME I would take the Kodak paper and start a nice fire with it, then order some Epson paper. I think you would like the improvement in color matching with your monitor and the overall improvement in the look of the print.

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