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In Reply to: RE: Foppiano posted by mkuller on January 22, 2017 at 11:17:44
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"Syrah and Shiraz are the same grape. It tends to be labeled as Shiraz in Australia and Syrah in the rest of the world (remembering that in France it is more likely to have a geographic name such as St. Joseph or Cote Rotie). There are in fact different strains of Syrahs around the world and often in the same vineyard.Petite Syrah (sometimes spelled Sirah) is a different grape. Also known as Duriff in Australia and France, the grape has a similar profile of a dark, inky purple wine, but really smells and tastes different. It is more mineral driven in my opinion and may take more bottle age to really develop. In fact, perhaps no red varietal has the ageing potential of Petite Sirah."
Edits: 01/23/17
long term aging, which makes it similar to Zinfandel in this aspect.
Long term aging for stellar Zin's is in the 3-5 year range, per my experience, but I stopped cellaring Zins in the 90's, thus my knowledge is not current by any means.
I found aged Zin's (on a whole) to be a wasted effort, as I ultimately seemed to enjoy them more @ a younger age, with all their warts..
As far as Durif goes there was one exception/winery to this, but I may have the name wrong as I can't find Google hits on "Sovereign" (think I also drank an inexpensive French wine by the same name, so maybe that's where the confusion stems from - never been good with names/Alpha stuff).
I may also be confusing Syrah with the "petite" version, but I recall Ridge and Canon something as being ones I tried in the 70's.
Good California winery, but has lost some of it's quality to quantity, IMO.
I'm with you, most of the Zins and Petite Sirahs should be had in the first couple of years. I recently opened a couple of Turleys that I'd put down for three years. Good drinking but I don't think they would have improved any more.
Just googled it and that's the one.
I picked up my first "older" bottles @ Shield's Date Garden (on the way to Palm Springs from LA) along with other/older CA red wines from the mid to late 60's/early 70's.
They had old/deep wooden bins for their wine that went two (or maybe three) bottles back from the front facing and I purchased quite a bit of the "back stock" @ the price of the old sticky tags.
Some other names I remember are Krug (Charles Krug?), Gallo, Mondavi, Agustus Sebastiani(SP?), and as far as PS goes something with Canon or Canyon in the name.
I purchased enough to fill the trunk (and the back seat compartment) of a Volvo and surprisingly enough more than 2/3 of it was still vibrant/good.
The quantity caused me to rent cellar space, and then the rest is history until I stopped collecting/storing wine in the late 90's.
...the 2015s were released yesterday.
I have a friend with some 2009s and 2010s and they're getting spectacular about now.
...in the tasting there were a couple with a tannic or astringent finish which lost points for that and were near the bottom.
I usually age my zins about 2 to 5 years although some, especially the less expensive fruit-forward ones, will not improve much.
But the better, more complex ones like the Turleys and Carlisles will definitely improve over that time.
Ordinarily I don't drink petite syrahs and in 7 years this is first time the group has tasted them.
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