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Posted on February 12, 2012 at 11:04:22
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 The SO's 16 y/o daughter has a pretty good eye and quite a strong interest in photography and will be starting a photography class shortly so I'm soliciting some suggestions about a good camera for her.The classes are progressive and would be over the next 2 yrs so something she could use for the longterm w/out having to buy up. Tx in advance.

 

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RE: Camera, posted on February 13, 2012 at 16:19:14
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 a canon rebel ti2 or t3 whatever is the more recent model

they tend to come with a cheap 18-55 which is not a bad lens for a cheap lens.

should run $400-500 try BH photo, best buy amazon get 2-4gb sc cards a reader and a copy of Adobe Lightroom 3

learn and use that for 2 years before upgrading

i run a college photography program and that is my rec to our students as a place to start

have fun !

Our program's motto is
"I photograph to see what things look like photographed" Garry Winogrand

 

Thanks nt, posted on February 14, 2012 at 08:02:03
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RE: Camera, posted on March 2, 2012 at 21:30:03
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 Since i'm a Nikon man since 1974.

My recommend is Nikon D5100 or D 7000 a bit more.

I teach an online Studio Flash Photography course, realistically Canon and Nikon make the best.

 

RE: Camera, posted on April 23, 2012 at 12:45:00
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 Even though I've shot Canon for 30years, I'll go with the Nikon Kit lens as being much better than the Canon offering.
Also, I have completely different ideas on where someone should start, but than, I started in a darkroom and couldn't shoot hundreds of pictures to get a good one.

I also urge a serious artist to take an ART class...perhaps 2-D design.

One thing I'll stand by, however, is getting a couple primes. The Canon 50mm 1.8 is a real bargain and should be the ONLY lens on the camera for a while.
Too much is never enough

 

RE: Camera, posted on April 25, 2012 at 07:44:40
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 I can agree on a good prime lens. The Canon 50mm 1.8 is a great lens the only problem is on most DSLR it is an effective 75mm lens not a normal angle of view. A 35 f2 is the choice if you are looking for a normal angle.

I will disagree on the need for a 2D design class. These are designed for traditional art training and do not in imho provide much for photographers. I would look for classes in new media or film for a better match for photo.

 

RE: Camera, posted on April 25, 2012 at 09:21:19
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The 50mm on a 1.6cf body would end up about 80mm.....certainly a portrait lens?
On my 1.3cf body, it works out to about 65mm which is still sort of within 'normal' territory.
I can work with it as such.

As for a 2-d design classs and other education for budding photographers? I guess we'll just have to differ. Modern students get a digital and start banging away on assignments. Do you say to take only 10 shots? or just go for it? I don't know, but I've seen people who could get good results in half a dozen pictures OR miss it entirely in 200. That's why I believe some art education is important, to culture whatever 'eye' is there. Teach composition and 'elements' or whatever the current phrasiology is. Even spend some time looking at the 'classics'. Know the rules before breaking them.

Too much is never enough

 

RE: Camera, posted on April 25, 2012 at 13:01:56
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 My theory is that drawing and painting use a different process of creation than photography. Drawing and painting are synthetical and use composition as its basis where you build up an image bit by bit ( move the line over, widen the shape, bring the tree closer to the front).

Photography is analytical, we can't "compose the photo" its out there in front of us. If we want to move a tree out of the frame then everything else moves in relations. Photography is reductive, we look at the whole and reduce it to its essential meaning by using the frame.

Its said that painters start with the center of the canvas and photographers start with the edge of the frame.

This is why i think 2D design class do advance photographic vision.

imho :)

 

RE: Camera, posted on April 25, 2012 at 19:03:55
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 This is very interesting to me. Thanks for answering.
However, If the photo was just 'out there in front of us' all photographers would be essentially equal. The mule dragger with Ansel Adams on his treks thru Yosemite would be just as famous. I know.....Zone System.....

I do have a serious question. In a clinical situation where subjects are shown both photography AND serious art, does the same part of the brain 'light up' when viewing? Without knowing the answer I'd submit that it is the result that counts and the appreciation thereof. I would further suggest you CAN compose the photo. Point of view, lens choice, framing choice, film choice (old days) along with the physical controls of aperture and shutter speed, producing, with focal point the net focus / depth effect desired. I'm even able to do abstracts, usually of mundane things.
Painters and other fine artists manipulate these in their head while a photographer has to move around and is confronted with all the aforesaid choices....and more.

It is also interesting to me when photography and the visual arts cross paths. I've done photography for both media artists....one in particular used paint rollers.....and another glass artist which I am particularly proud of. I can without much trouble produce a reasonable oil painting in Photoshop. I'm not good at it, but have played. Maybe somebody that's real good could fool you from 5 feet away?

I've taken photographs both from center out and edge in. Finding an interesting natural frame than seeing what's in it VS finding something of interest and figuring out if it can be framed. Such a process usually goes too fast for me to analyze. If you photograph weddings, you know how true THAT can be. I was once given 15 minutes (no joke or exaggeration) to take some formal shots on the cliffs overlooking LaJolla Cove, here in SouthernCalifornia.

Enjoy and some interesting thoughts. thanks for sharing.
Too much is never enough

 

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