Digital SLRs: what's 'hot to trot'?

Re: Digital SLRs: what's 'hot to trot'?, posted on March 14, 2005 at 08:55:46
ChetAtkinsDiet Audiophile Posts: 33 Location: Indiana Joined: April 23, 2004	Although I'm sure I'll get yelled at for this- Canon is steps ahead of Nikon in the digital Realm. The new low end prosumer DSLR from them is the 350D. From there it goes to the 20D and in no particular order the 1d, the 1dmkII, the 1ds, 1dsmkII. It all depends on how much you shoot, what your budget is and what you need.

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Vinylly

Nikon P2Hs and the Canon EOS-1D Mk II.
Which is best?, you'll have to decide for yourself, but if you are already a Canon owner, and like Canon, -you may want to stick with that brand.

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Kodak?, posted on March 14, 2005 at 14:29:45

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How about Kodak?

http://www.kodak.com/global/en/professional/products/cameras/camerasIndex.jhtml?id=0.1.18.22.3&lc=en

Re: Kodak?, posted on March 14, 2005 at 16:43:41
ChetAtkinsDiet Audiophile Posts: 33 Location: Indiana Joined: April 23, 2004	never seen one in use, good glass isn't designed for kodak bodies though. good glass is designed for canon, nikon, and leica mounts

Look closer........they don't say but, posted on March 14, 2005 at 19:34:37

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ProSLR/c for Canon

ProSLR/n for Nikon
takes their glass

Re: Digital SLRs: what's 'hot to trot'?, posted on March 14, 2005 at 21:21:17
ChrisVH Manufacturer Posts: 1246 Location: Wisconsin Joined: September 24, 1999	My vote goes to Canon. I believe there is a new version of the Digital Rebel that will be released soon with 8 mp, and is essentially a 20D without all the bell and whistles.

You know..., posted on March 15, 2005 at 00:55:28

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...I'm quite open to a change of brand. One of the things that annoys me about my camera is the levels of noise and chromatic aberration it too often displays. I guess its time to invest in better lenses and so on but I've no idea what currently works well together.

I used to love my ol' analogue Minolta SLR (with a Sigma lens I believe) but I literally 'loved it to bits'!

Big J.

Re: Digital SLRs: what's 'hot to trot'?, posted on March 15, 2005 at 00:56:49

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The 350D to 20D price range is about right for me. Does anyone know if Nikon is planning a riposte to the 350D from Canon? A D80 maybe?

Big J.

Re: Look closer........they don't say but, posted on March 15, 2005 at 00:58:04

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Apologies for my ignorance but what do those codes mean?

Big J.

Re: Digital SLRs: what's 'hot to trot'?, posted on March 15, 2005 at 01:00:47

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Do the levels of noise and chrom. aber. annoy you as they do me? And sometimes (and admittedly its only a G3) I get the impression by Canon adds a kind of greyish sheen to everything, flattening the illusion of depth in my photos. Perhaps that's just digital 'per se' but given most peoples' rapturous embrace of the new paradigm I'm starting to have doubts about my choice of shooter.

Big J.

Re: Digital SLRs: what's 'hot to trot'?, posted on March 15, 2005 at 01:06:42

Hergest Ridge

G'day J,
I've just bought a G6 and have posted some pictures at the link below if you want to take a quick look. Nothing to help with your SLR question but it might show up some differences between the G3 and G6..if any of course.

Regards
Paul

G6 pics

How about showing us some samples of what you like to shoot, posted on March 15, 2005 at 05:59:16

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That way we can better direct you. It's taken me about 20 yrs. to be able to shoot professionally. Starting out with whatever camera, till I honed my style. To know what tools suited me best.

Remember Digital is not the be all answer. My Nikon F5 & Fuji - Velvia ,Povia slide fim can't be beat!

Re: Digital SLRs: what's 'hot to trot'?, posted on March 15, 2005 at 06:39:25
ChetAtkinsDiet Audiophile Posts: 33 Location: Indiana Joined: April 23, 2004	With the way Nikon has been releasing cameras you can be assured their next release will be in the 8mp range since they don't seem to have much interest in competing with Canon's 1ds series, at least not until this point.

Re: How about showing us some samples of what you like to shoot, posted on March 15, 2005 at 06:40:22
ChetAtkinsDiet Audiophile Posts: 33 Location: Indiana Joined: April 23, 2004	Try the fredmiranda.com velvia plugin for photoshop. I was surprised at how well it emulates the velvia look.

Re: Digital SLRs: what's 'hot to trot'?, posted on March 15, 2005 at 21:27:37
ChrisVH Manufacturer Posts: 1246 Location: Wisconsin Joined: September 24, 1999	I've had no problem with the 20D and chrom aberration. No more than when I was shooting film, anyway. Also, the lack of noise at high ISO kills, I repeat KILLS any 400 or 800 speed film I've ever used, and I've used them all.

Have you fully explored your G3?, posted on March 16, 2005 at 05:25:21

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Cameras are merely a tool toward accomplishing a desired image. A new camera is not a magic potion, only another tool.

http://www.mplonsky.com/photo/equip.htm

Here's a good example..., posted on March 16, 2005 at 08:24:08

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There would be no way I'd be able to maintain botht he shadow detail and the snow highlights if I had been using film for this image (taken a couple weeks ago). Take a look at the new Canon Digital Rebel, which should have the same image quality as my 20D, for less than a grand.

Re: Have you fully explored your G3?, posted on March 16, 2005 at 11:09:00

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This looks involved. And expensive. Does the G3 warrant that kind of investment?

Big J.

That's really pretty!, posted on March 17, 2005 at 12:52:12

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I take your point about the Rebel. Perhaps the 350D might also suffice. I think now might be the time to jump in for me - when I see if Nikon is going to respodn any time soon.

And I admire your skill. Do you actually live near this scenery?

Big J.

SLR/n & SLR/c, posted on March 17, 2005 at 13:18:24
Beaware	The SLR/n takes Nikon mount lenses, the SLR/c takes Canon mount lenses.

Figures. Thanks! -t, posted on March 18, 2005 at 05:00:39

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Big J.

Here's The Review of the Kodak, posted on March 18, 2005 at 07:25:19

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Wow, talk about unimpressive: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/14n-initial.shtml

time for Kodak to stick to the consumer market.

That's a review of a Kodak, posted on March 18, 2005 at 07:57:54

Doc B.

but I believe that the 14N is a different model than the SLR/n. I have a friend who is a photo gear reviewer, who expressed that while the 14N was a dog the SLR/n is really nice.

In reading all these posts I am surprised that no one suggested that one might also want to consider a used pro digital SLR. I'm "stuck" with a bunch of older Nikkor prime lenses, so logic dictates that I should stay with Nikon. As an upgrade to my D1 I would look at a used D1X before I would consider, say, a new D100 kit at roughly the same money. I should think the same logic would apply to Canon gear. Spent a day last week taking some promo shots of a recording studio, and having used my D1 in the same room I felt that it would have stood up reasonably well to the 20D with an adapted 21mm Leitz lens we were using, at least for the kind of staged, long exposure low ISO hot lit shots we were taking. All this said, if I didn't have a bunch of Nikkor lenses and I was going to go out and start fresh, I would sure consider the Canon DSLR offerings as well. The 20D is quite impressive.

Re: That's really pretty!, posted on March 18, 2005 at 08:18:09

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Thanks. The 350D was what I was talking about (forgot what they called the new rebel). There's a great writeup on it at www.luminous-landscape.com.

Unfortunately, I am only able to leave Wisconsin for 1 week every year to do some photography out West. The Aurora shots are all taken in WI.

Here is a review of the kodak SLR/c, posted on March 18, 2005 at 10:00:58

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For Canon lenses----------too bad I married Nikon for 30 years already.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/kodakslrc/

Like Listener in sprit., posted on March 18, 2005 at 15:42:05

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But with cameras. I like the honesty underlying the choice of the 'MO'. The 350XT does look attractive. Thanks for the info'.

Big J.

Yeah but..., posted on March 18, 2005 at 15:50:54

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whilst I can agree with the reviewer in the article, the portrait is a typical example of what I find some Canons do to skin tones and tones in general: there is a bleaching effect that, for me, makes the image a less effective illusion of reality. The sensation of depth is flattened or made more shallow, and whilst the 'stippling' effect might be annoying on close inspection, I bet the flat-image rendition would bother me more. I have that already with my G3.

Is this to do with the way Canon's processors/light chips process detail or something else?

Big J.

I'm heard good things on the new Minolta.......I think bottom line, posted on March 20, 2005 at 09:24:47

John EH

is......Do you own lenses? If you own canon lenses.......Buy Canon. You'll save.

John

Re: ' I'm heard good things on the new Minolta', posted on March 21, 2005 at 09:36:02

Vinylly

It's about time. It seems Minolta aways has these great technical inovations but when it comes down to the most important thing, -the quality of the image, -they seem to fall short of the others. They've never gotten up there with Nikon, Olympus, or Canon. Maybe they need better lenses.

Let's See What dp Review Has To Say About It:

Re: Here's The Review of the Kodak, posted on March 21, 2005 at 13:00:49

Snide-o-rama

The 14n and SLR/n aren't the same camera. The SLR/n is a big improvement over the 14n. Different sensor, different firmware, different body, etc. You need to look at the Kodak SLR forum at dpreview.com.

It's still a bit of a speciality camera, really good in the studio and certain outdoor applications (landscapes).

Re: Yeah but..., posted on March 25, 2005 at 11:51:37
ChetAtkinsDiet Audiophile Posts: 33 Location: Indiana Joined: April 23, 2004	This is the difference between shooting RAW and otherwise, prosumer SLR's and pro SLR's add at most minimal color correction and sharpening in camera- a shock to most p&s or consumer camera users. Shoot in raw and correct on your own later. I'd rather correct images to how I want them to look, not some guy who built the camera and configured the software.

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