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!!!'FILM IS DEAD'!!!!!!

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Posted on August 12, 2003 at 09:24:53
Vinylly


 
Does this sound familiar???
I'm looking at the cover of the british 'Digital Camera Buyer' and that's the big blurb they have on it's cover as they introduce the new Cannon EOS 10D.
Also I read somewhere else that they predict film cameras will be obsolete by 2008.
For some reason I'm reminded of the 1980's when CDs were first introduced that vinyl would be obsolete.

Hmmm... My son-in-law photographer just bought the new Hasselblad and now I see him with a new Cannon EOS 10D. His excuse; "If you take wedding pictures you just have to have something like this". Me thinks photographers are just as nutty as audiophiles. When your both, -that's REAL bad. He also happens to be a NAIM/Linn/Monitor Audio nut and that's REAL bad.

 

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Re: !!!'FILM IS DEAD'!!!!!! Film WILL Outlast yours and my Lifetime, posted on August 12, 2003 at 21:16:25
Joe M


 
and I'll be 55 on thurs the 14th.

For one, Movie theatres will be showing on film stock,and shooting too. It's needed to project large screens in movie houses for a long time to come. Digi can't get enough lumens to hit a large screen audience.

Also Film ala Hassey needed for those occasional 30"X 40" or larger Wedding Portraits.

Just like vinyl junkies need their fix in music, Old B&W darkroom addicts, will need film and Dextol

 

yes, posted on August 12, 2003 at 21:38:01
Dominic


 
" When your both, -that's REAL bad. He also happens to be a NAIM/Linn/Monitor Audio nut and that's REAL bad. "


that is REEEAAL bad


and me personnally i don't think dig is quite up to snuff just yet, sure is hella useful though, but to get the same image quality as any half decent film camera you have to really step up with big dough. I mean i could replace my current outfit for like 400(beans 2nd hand in the great white north) maybe and to get a similar picture (res, depth, etc. etc.) in dig is gonna cost me over 1000 (eg:g2) esspecially since i can't get it seccond hand yet. Once similar image quality and features are available at competing prices then film will be moving out quick except for the types who want to get creative with the chemicals. Though my above statements don't really take into account the mass adoption of digital cameras.

partly asside, i think it's rediculous the way medium format digital backs are of bassically no use to anyone but studio photographers. The Sigma SD-9 with FOVEON is about where i'd like to get into digital.

 

No, it just smells bad..., posted on August 13, 2003 at 07:31:27
Frunobulax


 
I have been really impressed with the Kodak 14N. When used correctly, it gives a "film look" to digital photos. You have to shoot it like negative film. Overexpose & pull the highlights back in software. You can do this with this camera because it has a larger than normal (for digital) exposure range. Even when you push the ISO rating on the camera, the increase in noise looks like film grain and NOT electronically generated square pixel artifacts.

The camera has taken many hits by people who really want Kodak to fail, but most have never used the camera or the software. And, many who have used the camera have not become proficient with the software and expect the same image out of the camera that they get with a 10D with no processing. Good images take some work.

I hate to say it, but the resolution of this camera approaches medium format. I hate to say it because I own about $15K in medium format equipment. Also, many, many digiholics confuse sharpness with detail. While it is true that you can take a 6 megapixel camera image and print it 24 x 30 - and it will look "sharp" - it lacks in detail. Sharp does not equal detail.

The unique thing about film is the different "looks" you can get just by shooting it. Velvia looks different than Provia, which looks different than E200, which looks different from EX, etc. Same with negative films. For those who say you can get the same look with a digital through post processing, I say, "you don't understand how film interacts with light." How do you predict random events and simulate that with software? Do you have a 4524K preset filter to apply? How about a 5001K filter, etc.

Digital (at this point) is a bit like putting in an upholstery tack with a 3 pound sledge. Nuances often get lost, and have to be created in post processing - my question - how do you remember what you photographed so you can tweak the nuances? Then is it real or is it your simulation of reality.

Lots of questions, to answer. Digiholics rarely want to get into the nitty gritty nuances and cop out by saying, "oh you just don't understand" - with, of course, no explanation.

 

Right on Frun, posted on August 23, 2003 at 14:41:33
R B
Audiophile

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Joined: October 13, 1999
A very good assessment you give re digital & film. When I look at the photo sites most of the digital shots look too saturated with false colours. The sunsets are so vivid with no nuances, I'm even shooting digital with oversaturated colours myself, I'm sure the novelty will wear off. (I hope so)

regards rod

 

!!! VINYL IS DEAD !!!, posted on October 22, 2003 at 22:42:42
Filmilly


 
Oh, g'wan, you set it up.

 

Film images still better., posted on February 5, 2004 at 14:20:27
I still prefer the images you get from film. It is similar to analogue sounds being better than digital sound recordings. Film/analogue -more suble and realistic, while digital more exaggerated looking/sounding.

 

Re: Film images still better., posted on April 29, 2004 at 18:37:41
kevyo
Audiophile

Posts: 50
Location: north west NJ
Joined: November 23, 2002
You are 100% correct. I work at a professional wedding lab and I see both film and digital work. The digital prints do look nice but film still has a smoother apperance. Kind of like the digital prints look too sharp for their own good.

 

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