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The King James Bible.

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Posted on June 15, 2004 at 05:50:19
J.R.
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 What can I say? Such magnificent language, such magnificent cadences.
It's impact on Western literature is inestimable. Shakespear,
Milton, Blake, Spenser, ad infinitum. One of the major influences of
Western literature and civilization. Regards,

J.R.

 

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I prefer the New International to read., posted on June 15, 2004 at 19:32:35
dennzio
 But I agree, The KJV is classic.

 

Really? The NIV?, posted on June 15, 2004 at 20:30:41
J.R.
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 But it reads like a, oh, a Japanese VHS manual. Lifeless prose,
specific and clear to be sure, but flat and lifeless. The Son of Man
comes off as, well, uninteresting. Read "Paradise Lost"; the KJV is
engrained in the text. Let's do a comparison, a collation if you will:

The last clause of Ephesians 6, 12:

KJV: "against spiritual wickedness in high places."
NIV: "against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realm."

Which seems to you the most, uh, poetic? The most bang for your buck?
The most passionate? The most steeped in implication, even steeped
in meaning? Regards,

J.R.

 

You missed my point., posted on June 16, 2004 at 16:08:38
dennzio
 From a perspective of efforting to understand the Bible, the NIV is easier to read and understand, in todays modern English language. I do agree with you that the KJV is the more poetic of the two, if that is what you want.

 

I did not miss your point, obvious as roadkill., posted on June 16, 2004 at 17:30:56
J.R.
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 But you missed mine. I read the Bible for inspiration rather than
information. Regards,

J.R., listening to Jovino dos Santos.

 

Me too. and a 'But' story, posted on June 16, 2004 at 21:55:30
Timbo in Oz
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 But ther e is one bit in the NIVabout the angel and the shepherds.

Our Archdeacon wouldn't let me read the KJM one Christmas, and I had to learn the new passage, but if you do it right, the " and they were .. terrified " bit IS more direct than, "they were sore afraid", if you pause a heartbeat longer, before terrified.

ne of my fave things in recordings is that group who do things to plain chant, like the Weather report, the Customs act, etc.

the Litany in the old Anglican liturgy is full of great stuff,

Did a few Synod services in my time as a chorister!


Timbo in Oz
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Well, you are just way beyond a simple man such as I. (nt, posted on June 17, 2004 at 12:21:36
dennzio
 nt

 

That kinda snotty and spiteful., posted on June 17, 2004 at 13:23:23
J.R.
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 When you tire of being a simpleton, take some peyote or mushrooms.
Open your eyes. Another point of view, personally experienced, can
do wonders for tedious petulance. Regards,

J.R.

 

Simpleton it is! I rather like that description of myself. Thank you. (nt, posted on June 17, 2004 at 18:52:01
dennzio
 nt

 

Actually, posted on June 18, 2004 at 08:12:41
Bulkington
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 The King James Bible wasn't published till 1611, by which time virtually all of Shakespeare's plays were already written. The first recorded production of The Tempest was in 1611. Henry VIII and The Two Noble Kinsmen, both lesser, collaborative works, came later.

 

Is my face red., posted on June 18, 2004 at 08:56:33
J.R.
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 Well perhaps that means that the KJV was heavily influenced by W.S.
But what it really means is that it was the language of the time, as
familiar to Shakespear as to the authors of the KJV, and as to the
endlessly churned out broadsides of the day. Regards,

J.R.

 

I doubt it was influenced by WS, posted on June 18, 2004 at 09:27:41
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 But certainly Modern English experienced an unparallelled flowering then. Just speculation on my part, but I wonder if Milton would have written Paradise Lost were it not for the King James Bible. As I recall, he had contemplated writing something Arthurian instead. I think it's no coincidence that the great writers (Chaucer, Shakespeare, Milton) steered clear of that mythos. Mallory? Spencer? No thanks.

 

The Bible is not so much to be "understood" as it is to be "felt" inside you, the way poetry is., posted on June 19, 2004 at 10:02:22
orejones
 ""From a perspective of efforting to understand the Bible, the NIV is easier to read and understand, in todays modern English language.""


Maybe it takes some extra effort, but it´s worth it. And old forms of language are closer to the true meaning of words. And then, there´s that thing about left brain vs right brain, which poetic language jumps over so easily, going straight to the core of things...

Regards

BF

 

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