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Posted by Romy on March 24, 2001 at 19:25:40

In Reply to: Dear Romy ... posted by jj on March 24, 2001 at 15:41:49:

***You are … absolutely wrong.

Well, and I am very comfortable to be in my wrong state. Read on.

***First, I get very reliable results both from 35mm and 120/220 at the labs I use, in fact I've shot test rolls, etc, at various times, and they are quite consistant….

You are very lucky to have this place. I hope you would be able to get the same result going through 80 rolls 220 dally. I wish… Unfortunately I made my statement not after “shot the test rolls” but after the setting and calibration many of the machines this “fully automated place” use and establishing and managing the number of the commercial labs. Yes, generally they produce the STABLE results.

***Second, the type of film, contrast, gamma, and saturation are indeed important in shooting situations EVEN IF THE LAB IS NOT GOOD.

Yes, it is correct. However, it is correct only if you use the development process as standard fixed parameter. Should you have an opportunity to understand deeper the underlying mechanism of development you would learn that the film quality, exposure and development methods are 3 connected, complex and flexible processes. So-called contrast, gamma, and saturation are not defined parameters of the film. They are measurements (most of the time marketing and not “completely” correct) how the film behaves under normal development and exposure condition. It’s it, but there is a lot of more to it…

***I have no idea why you've chosen to spread some really inaccurate rumours about photography and processing, but you're wrong.

OK

***As my MS is in fact in optical processing, I do in fact have a very good clue as to how to both test and evaluate processing and film results. In fact, I've done some res charts, colour balance (yes, I have a target, etc) and so on, and the negs are right on, with no special processing and no comment to the lab. It just comes out right.

Those accomplishments you mentioned I demanded from my employees who got paid less then $8/hour. It doesn’t say anything about the quality of the people I worked with but is dose say something about the value of our MS status. As a professional photographer and creator of number of developers and development techniques I assure you that there is a lot of room in “special processing” because there is no “standard processing”. There is only the correct correlation between the input conditions, the result and the method how you reach the best possible result.

***You DO notice that consumer films (i.e. gold, etc) are low on my list, because those FILMS are not consistant.

If you have chance try to get some film that people use in movie industry. You would be surprised and perhaps reevaluate the term “professional film”

***Btw, don't knock D76. If you KNOW that's what is going to be used, and how, you can get results that are as good as anything else. If you want, mail me privately and I'll point you to some scans of some D76 developed PanF, etc that there's nothing to complain about.

16 years ago I called D-76 “the great equalizer”. I did not mean the film. I meant the photographers. You just have been equalized. However, generally it is OK developer if you do not know better and spent too much time in school vs. a photography studio.

***For the record, I despise Microdol, the stuff you use from concentrate that I hated so much I don't remember the name, and I'm not real swell on Tmax except on Tmax film, either. Technitol is a pest, but Tech Pan is wonderful stuff IF the lab handles it well. On that point I will agree most don't, and most get far too much contrast. I don't generally shoot litho.

O man, I am sure you got a big party after your MS graduation….

Regards,
Romy the Cat

PS: Nice pictures… and of course they convinced me that you are all correct…

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